. >> 2010 the northwest environmental defense center convinces accord that money water running off logging roads is industrial pollution requiring an epa clean water permit. the timber industry says it will cost thousands of dollars kicos thousands of jobs without any environ tament benefit. 2009 another environmental group the chesapeake bay foundation sues to force the epa to crack down on water runoff for farms along the bay. the epa settled and i am posed strict new rules that the american farm bureau says will cost billions of dollars. 2011 the epa poses stricter limits on pesticide use than congress requires. environmental groups sued saying law americas were being too lenient. just a few cases that show how environmental groups ex tort influence over the epa. >> they used a lot of litigation to get federal judges they ordered the epa to do what they want them to do. >> steven hayward is a policy at pepperdine university. >> it is poorly understood by the public and by members of congress. >> my understanding is there is situations where groups file suit against your agency. literall